[blfs-support] Iced Tea again!!!!!

me at pc-networking-services.com me at pc-networking-services.com
Sun Mar 23 03:30:01 PDT 2014

> Em 23-03-2014 06:15, me at pc-networking-services.com escreveu:
>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 01:01:18PM +1300, me at pc-networking-services.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Well this is ridiculous.  I have reached the point after a few days of
>>>> installing the systemd 7.5 version of LFS, and going through the
>>>> configuration of quite a number of other packages following BLFS 7.5
>>>> stable to the point of having a working graphical interface, so decide
>>>> now
>>>> is a good time to install java again.
>>>> I set everything up as per the instructions, which I did when I first
>>>> set
>>>> it up following the previous version of LFS.
>>>> This time round though I can NOT even get the blasted thing to
>>>> compile.
>>>> I
>>>> have even reverted back to the iced tea 2.4.1 and get EXACTLY the same
>>>> message.
>>>> Please note that in between changing the versions I have deleted the
>>>> files
>>>> for the CURRENT 7.5 stable version.  The only thing that I did not do
>>>> was
>>>> to delete /usr/share/java before extracting the earlier binary and
>>>> supporting files.
> Well, I hope that you have really followed the instructions.
>>>  I'm not particularly familiar with java at the moment, but I've
>>> built icedtea-2.4.2 twice - once in October/November, in a general
>>> test, once on 7.5 because I overlooked that the old version was
>>> invoked from the script :-( and I then built 2.4.5 on 7.5.
>>>  I've now looked at my last 2.4.2 log, and I see the sort of
>>> information you have posted above, just over 4000 lines into the
>>> build.  In your case, I am worried by the warnings about unzip and
>>> zip, and baffled by the error that 'make' seems not to have been
>>> found.  And after one Error, I think all bets for subsequent
>>> messages are off, in the same way that in a compilation failure we
>>> have to look at the first error.  I assume you haven't run out of
>>> disk space, or filled up /tmp ?  Rebuilding gcc seems an extreme
>>> suggestion (unless someone intends using gcc's java to bootstrap
>>> icedtea), so I'm not exactly surprised that it didn't help.
>>> But just to be clear : you can still build both C and C++ packages ?
>>>  For me, the pain of scripting java was in working out what to add
>>> to the builder's (for me, that is the big guy, whose username begins
>>>  with 'r') PATH - and, of course, remembering to set up my own PATH
>>> when I actually had to try to use java.  Is it possible that you
>>> screwed up something in that area ?  I find it hard to believe that
>>> you could have _lost_ the normal PATH (which would account for the
>>> zip, unzip, make messages), because at least in 2.4.2 the first part
>>> of the build looks to be a conventional configure which would crap
>>> out if /usr/bin was no longer in the PATH.
>>>  The only other things I might query are whether you correctly
>>> installed the binary openjdk, and whether you applied all the
>>> icedtea patches ?  Oh, and you ought to re-download the current
>>> version, because it was a vulnerability fix.
>>>  In my own script for building icedtea, I set the following before I
>>> try to build the BLFS-7.5 version:
>>> export JAVA_HOME=/opt/OpenJDK-
>>> export ANT_HOME=/opt/ant
>>> export CLASSPATH=/usr/share/java:/usr/share/java/junit-4.11
>>> export PATH="$PATH:/opt/OpenJDK-"
>>>  I will hazard a guess that ANT_HOME has not yet come into play when
>>> your build fails, but the other parts - with whichever version of
>>> the OpenJDK bin you have installed - need to be set appropriately.
>>> ĸen
>>> --
>>> das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce
>> When people are TESTING the versions of the book before making them a
>> release I am having a very hard time believing that what they are doing
>> to
>> compile the package and what they have written that they have done are
>> the
>> exact same things.  If they were, then someone such as me who is
>> following
>> through the written instructions and copying and pasting them exactly
>> would be able to make it work from a bare hard drive.  This is clearly
>> not
>> the case.
> I am having a hard time believing that you have followed through the
> written instructions. When we do that, some times we forget some step.
> Ken, who was very kind replying above, does copy and paste instructions
> to update packages, but has all scripted.
> I always script. Occasionally, I copy and paste.
> It is a little difficult to try and help someone who explicitly writes
> not to trust us. If you do not trust us, will you trust our help? Also,
> if you do not trust us, then you do not trust the book, why then spend
> so much time building it?
> Still trying to help, although I do not believe you will trust what I am
> going to write: the best thing to do is to script. Copy and paste to a
> script and use it to install. Later, you can check if something was
> forgotten.
> --
> []s,
> Fernando
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I get the point you make Fernando.  I am sorry but I have written
technical documentation myself for server setups and I guess I have a
different approach with regards to it.  I am frustrated because I HAVE
followed the instructions to the letter.

I do not script ANYTHING if I can avoid it.  I like to see what is going
on and fix any issues that come up.

My approach to testing technical writing is to do the installation and
document every step that I have done at the time and after the
installation is completed, then I expand my notes and put it into proper
sentences and steps, then I go through the server setup as per my own
written instructions and make sure that they are correct.

Sorry for sounding harsh, I am not meaning to be.

I also notice that the issues I am having are to do with the fact that the

SYSTEMD version of the BLFS book was taken offline.  I have downloaded the
svn copy and am trying to get it converted to html so I can see the

Please if someone can tell me if copying the contents of /usr/bin to /bin
will cause any major issues I would appreciate it.  I need this working as
I have spent way too many hours getting to this point to have to trash it
yet again and ditch the systemd version and go through the other LFS



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