leaving Linux

Thomas T. Veldhouse veldy at veldy.net
Wed Jan 17 07:27:57 PST 2001

Yes - he certainly fit the troll profile - his intent was to incite
controversy, to insult.  In this case, because he was frustrated and could
not control it (it happens).  The only cure in this case is for him to build
another LFS system - hop back on the horse if you will. :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas 'Balu' Walter" <tw at itreff.de>
To: <lfs-discuss at linuxfromscratch.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: leaving Linux

> +-Gerard Beekmans-(gerard at linuxfromscratch.org)-[16.01.01 22:17]:
> > Not to point blame, but can we please refrain from calling other people
> > names? That you don't agree is one thing, that you want to discuss and
> > what they claim is another. That's all fine by me, but calling people
> > it the limit. Let's be civil.
> "Troll" is not calling someone names :)
> "Troll" is a type of News-poster...
> >From the Jargon-File:
> troll v.,n.
> 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on
> Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post
> itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn
> comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails
> bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll
> is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves
> look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
> the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If
> you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.
> 2.  An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts
> specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
> discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone
> or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the
> have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply
> want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after,
> they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are
> recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him,
> he's just a troll." Compare kook.
> 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A
> popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and
> ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it
> involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
> Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
> category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some
> assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also
> Troll-O-Meter.
> The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily
> produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not
> infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a
> followup to troll postings.
> BTW - I think he set off the "Troll-O-Meter" - see
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/The-Jargon-Lexicon-framed.html
>      Balu
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