LFS, From Scratch

Jeremy Huntwork jhuntwork at linuxfromscratch.org
Wed Jul 28 15:23:15 PDT 2004

On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 15:32 -0600, Gerard Beekmans wrote:
> Hi guys,
> It has come to my attention in recent weeks that there have been
> issues within the LFS community that need my attention.  I think most
> of you will agree that for quite some time now things within this
> project have been deteriorating steadily.  Valuable people have left,
> or are considering leaving the project for a multitude of reasons -
> primarily because of the hostile and volatile atmosphere.   I can't
> say I blame them for wanting to do so either.  The animosity,
> bickering, flame wars, and other issues have gotten to a point where
> the project has become an unpleasant place to be part of. Many have
> given up already.
> I did not put nearly six years into LFS just to see it fall apart at
> the seams. None of us did. So, instead of seeing our hard work go down
> the drain, something needs to happen. When certain changes were
> implemented several months ago, I was hopeful that it would be
> beneficial to the project. The idea was that things could move forward
> without waiting on my final approval all the time because my free time
> was scattered and I couldn't devote enough time to LFS anymore. On the
> plus side, this has resulted in fairly regular releases and continued
> development.
> It hasn't fully worked out, though, which is why things will be
> changing now. In light of feedback I have received recently and
> certain changes here at home, I will be taking an active leadership
> role again effective immediately, and will strive to fix all the
> problems we seem to be having.  One way or another.
> One of the ongoing challenges within LFS lately is the community. What
> once used to be a friendly LFS community is going down hill and it
> won't be long before it hits rock bottom (some of you would argue it
> already has). A project like LFS stands and falls with a community
> like ours behind it, or lack thereof. This begins with being civil to
> each other and to the general public.
> People with strong technical abilities are a good thing to have on a
> project like this, but they are not our primary asset. Being a team
> player is much more important in the long run. If people can't work
> within the team, accept constructive criticism, and in general cease
> being rude, it does not matter what technical abilities they bring.
> LFS is a team effort, not a solo mission, and those people have no
> business being part of LFS any longer.
> The one thing that must immediately change is the general atmosphere
> around here. Just because you don't agree with something and because
> you think you are right and the rest of the world is wrong, does not
> give you the right to act with a "holier than thou" attitude. The one
> thing worse than this is when people are made to feel stupid for
> whatever reason. I have seen it too often where people think they have
> a good idea, suggest it on the list, and are shot down and basically
> told to go away because their ideas weren't good enough. Oh, it isn't
> always bluntly put like that. Some people have mastered the art of
> subtlety, bordering on ambiguity, and hide behind a mask of "it came
> out wrong". But if you read in between the lines, it still comes down
> to it and everybody knows it.
> It has to stop. It is simply ridiculous and childish. It is totally
> unacceptable and it must stop. Now. Those who cannot change their
> attitudes, know where the door is. I'll be happy to show you the way
> if I have to. Interesting timing on Greg Schafer's part with his email
> from today. If people can't work within the LFS team anymore, there
> seem to be plenty other projects out there to try out.
> Think about this hard for a while and see what this means for
> yourself.  I'm not going to point fingers in public. The people guilty
> of creating the current atmosphere know who they are.  Consider this
> your last chance to clean up your act or make a graceful exit while
> you still have that option.  Behavior like this will no longer be
> tolerated, and multiple warnings are a thing of the past.  Members of
> our community will be treated with respect, or the offending party
> will be gone.  End of discussion.  This is not open to debate or
> interpretation.  The LFS community will be a friendly and active forum
> once again, with or without the current enrollment.  The choice is
> yours.

Gerard, welcome back.
Since my time here has been pretty short, my LFS experience has been
pretty Gerardless. ;)  I'm looking forward to seeing the difference with
you in an active role and looking forward to working with you.

Jeremy Huntwork

More information about the lfs-dev mailing list